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	<title>Comments on: Beijing to Tear Down 10,000 Homes for Expanded Business District</title>
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		<title>By: Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beijing is now more westernized than ever (not to say that there's anything wrong with civilization/ urbanization). There's a reason why people travel to Beijing &amp; that is to see the unique culture/ history that it still has to date, pretty soon there'll be nothing special &amp; unique about Beijing, because it'll be an ordinary country.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beijing is now more westernized than ever (not to say that there&#8217;s anything wrong with civilization/ urbanization). There&#8217;s a reason why people travel to Beijing &amp; that is to see the unique culture/ history that it still has to date, pretty soon there&#8217;ll be nothing special &amp; unique about Beijing, because it&#8217;ll be an ordinary country.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good lord, Beijing is not a theme park.  It's a living city being confronted with many challenges of urbanization, which requires the bulldozers to work over time.  I can't imagine the Chinese want to apologize to those who wish to see a Disneyfied version of Beijing, compete with quaint little neighborhoods with red lanterns.  The theme park enthusiasts should look elsewhere.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lord, Beijing is not a theme park.  It&#8217;s a living city being confronted with many challenges of urbanization, which requires the bulldozers to work over time.  I can&#8217;t imagine the Chinese want to apologize to those who wish to see a Disneyfied version of Beijing, compete with quaint little neighborhoods with red lanterns.  The theme park enthusiasts should look elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not everything that's iconic is good. After walking through entire blocks where the buildings all have the same dirty red brick facade, the icons get tiring. By the standards of how buildings look in, say, Southern Europe - they actually have different colors and smooth walls - they're a mess.

And it doesn't matter much that the hutongs are small. The neighborhoods that the urban renewal czars designated as slums had small apartments, by suburban standards; they were still more lively than anything that's come to replace them. Dharavi offers a few square meters of living space per person, and, despite the government's attempt to demolish it to expand the CBD, it's economically vital as well.

Where did I advocate a numbers-based approach to housing?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not everything that&#8217;s iconic is good. After walking through entire blocks where the buildings all have the same dirty red brick facade, the icons get tiring. By the standards of how buildings look in, say, Southern Europe - they actually have different colors and smooth walls - they&#8217;re a mess.</p>
<p>And it doesn&#8217;t matter much that the hutongs are small. The neighborhoods that the urban renewal czars designated as slums had small apartments, by suburban standards; they were still more lively than anything that&#8217;s come to replace them. Dharavi offers a few square meters of living space per person, and, despite the government&#8217;s attempt to demolish it to expand the CBD, it&#8217;s economically vital as well.</p>
<p>Where did I advocate a numbers-based approach to housing?</p>
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		<title>By: Carrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The brownstones are an eyesore? What are you talking about? The brownstones are an iconic part of NYC life.

When they demolished them many and replaced them with housing projects, the neighborhoods collapsed? Duh. If my neighbors and I suddenly begin living in tents (or a 30 story high rise with 1/10 the square footage per household, on 1/50 the footprint), our neighborhood (economy and social fabric) will collapse as well. So where the continuity in that?

There is value in living in an aesthetically pleasing environment -- buildings obviously shape the 'psychology' of a neighborhood, which ultimately shapes the economic and cultural wealth of a neighborhood.

I'm not gonna bother picking apart the irony and near contradictions in your comment Alon -- too tired. It is funny though that you advocate a cold "numbers"-based approach to housing planning, while slandering someone who tried to sell you on socialism. I've lived in a seven story cement box where hutongs once stood, and didn't see the economic or social bounty that the former had -- literally because the design didn't allow for the space, personality, and flexibility it needed to flourish. Off topic but, your anarchist is probably right about neither the PRC or USSR practicing genuine socialism. They were firstly authoritarian states, and welfare states second. I can't think of any thriving pure examples of its counterpart though. Either way, an ideological approach is a born loser, which is why I lamented the loss of hutongs primarily for short sighted reasons they're being demolished, and what is replacing them (not because they're entirely superior to any other option.)

Blah blah blah -- our cities would be miserable places if all the character-rich brownstones and hutongs were replaced by high-density housing -- go look at any of the other cities Mao tried to build in the 70s, and take a stroll through those lovely mazes of identical constructionist housing blocks. You probably wont though, because you'd have no desire too, like the residents have little motivation to live there other than necessity.askjaksdhvakjsvakjfvakfvbj

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The brownstones are an eyesore? What are you talking about? The brownstones are an iconic part of NYC life.</p>
<p>When they demolished them many and replaced them with housing projects, the neighborhoods collapsed? Duh. If my neighbors and I suddenly begin living in tents (or a 30 story high rise with 1/10 the square footage per household, on 1/50 the footprint), our neighborhood (economy and social fabric) will collapse as well. So where the continuity in that?</p>
<p>There is value in living in an aesthetically pleasing environment &#8212; buildings obviously shape the &#8216;psychology&#8217; of a neighborhood, which ultimately shapes the economic and cultural wealth of a neighborhood.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not gonna bother picking apart the irony and near contradictions in your comment Alon &#8212; too tired. It is funny though that you advocate a cold &#8220;numbers&#8221;-based approach to housing planning, while slandering someone who tried to sell you on socialism. I&#8217;ve lived in a seven story cement box where hutongs once stood, and didn&#8217;t see the economic or social bounty that the former had &#8212; literally because the design didn&#8217;t allow for the space, personality, and flexibility it needed to flourish. Off topic but, your anarchist is probably right about neither the PRC or USSR practicing genuine socialism. They were firstly authoritarian states, and welfare states second. I can&#8217;t think of any thriving pure examples of its counterpart though. Either way, an ideological approach is a born loser, which is why I lamented the loss of hutongs primarily for short sighted reasons they&#8217;re being demolished, and what is replacing them (not because they&#8217;re entirely superior to any other option.)</p>
<p>Blah blah blah &#8212; our cities would be miserable places if all the character-rich brownstones and hutongs were replaced by high-density housing &#8212; go look at any of the other cities Mao tried to build in the 70s, and take a stroll through those lovely mazes of identical constructionist housing blocks. You probably wont though, because you&#8217;d have no desire too, like the residents have little motivation to live there other than necessity.askjaksdhvakjsvakjfvakfvbj</p>
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		<title>By: re:place Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>re:place Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tags]  Living above the store [Globe and Mail] INTERNATIONAL  Show Me the Money! [Portland Mercury]  Beijing to Tear Down 10,000 Homes for Expanded Business District [The Infrastructurist]  Detroit: Urban Laboratory and the New American Frontier [New Geography]  [...]

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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares whether the existing buildings are aesthetically pleasing? The brownstones in New York are an eyesore, and yet when the city demolished them to build housing projects, the neighborhoods collapsed. The point of buildings is to house people while maintaining neighborhood continuity.

And as for true capitalism: I've recently had the pleasure of arguing with an anarchist, who maintained that true socialism has never been tried and the Soviet Union and Maoist China were not truly socialist because, they just weren't. If you're interested in arguing over what true capitalism/socialism is, go waste your time with him.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares whether the existing buildings are aesthetically pleasing? The brownstones in New York are an eyesore, and yet when the city demolished them to build housing projects, the neighborhoods collapsed. The point of buildings is to house people while maintaining neighborhood continuity.</p>
<p>And as for true capitalism: I&#8217;ve recently had the pleasure of arguing with an anarchist, who maintained that true socialism has never been tried and the Soviet Union and Maoist China were not truly socialist because, they just weren&#8217;t. If you&#8217;re interested in arguing over what true capitalism/socialism is, go waste your time with him.</p>
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		<title>By: jimharper</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its GOOD to see a country run with discipline....

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		<title>By: Other Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Other Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would people who don’t like capitalism want to move to China? China is an example of capitalism run amok- few labor and environmental laws, exploited workers, and a horrendously polluted environment.

Western Europe has a healthy mix of the private and public sectors.

This is not Capitalism.  This is a corporate welfare state.  In a true capitalism, blatant theft on this scale cannot happen.  A privately held company can rarely become large enough to infringe on peoples' rights in such a way, but a powerful government can do it any day of the week and twice on Sundays.  

How different is this from the hundreds of thousands of people here in America who will have their homes and businesses stolen from them (eminent domained away) to make room for smart grids and HSR?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would people who don’t like capitalism want to move to China? China is an example of capitalism run amok- few labor and environmental laws, exploited workers, and a horrendously polluted environment.</p>
<p>Western Europe has a healthy mix of the private and public sectors.</p>
<p>This is not Capitalism.  This is a corporate welfare state.  In a true capitalism, blatant theft on this scale cannot happen.  A privately held company can rarely become large enough to infringe on peoples&#8217; rights in such a way, but a powerful government can do it any day of the week and twice on Sundays.  </p>
<p>How different is this from the hundreds of thousands of people here in America who will have their homes and businesses stolen from them (eminent domained away) to make room for smart grids and HSR?</p>
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		<title>By: PB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furthermore, they might want to try filling the office space in the EXISTING CBD first. Just a thought.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore, they might want to try filling the office space in the EXISTING CBD first. Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: PB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, not too long ago, something thought Beijing would be more interesting as a collection of Las Vegas buildings situated on Washington-style Imperialist oversized blocks and serviced by LA/Houston's monstrous freeways. What a shame. 

Although, to be honest, I doubt this expansion will happen as depicted. The China bubble is running out of steam as the government gets frightened, once again, by out-of-control real estate speculation.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, not too long ago, something thought Beijing would be more interesting as a collection of Las Vegas buildings situated on Washington-style Imperialist oversized blocks and serviced by LA/Houston&#8217;s monstrous freeways. What a shame. </p>
<p>Although, to be honest, I doubt this expansion will happen as depicted. The China bubble is running out of steam as the government gets frightened, once again, by out-of-control real estate speculation.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know Beijing has population and economic pressure to bulldoze and build UP, but the destruction of 1000 year old hutong neighborhoods is akin to burning rainforest for grazing land. I lived in the hutongs near here for a few months while studying in Beijing in 2006, and they are by far the coolest little neighborhoods I've ever seen. The homes are generally one or two stories, but were built 1000 year ago in the Ming Dynasty. Families have been living there for centuries -- you have to look at this like we do biodiversity in rain forests. The social fabric there is so rich, that it justifies the inefficiencies of the buildings.

I saw hutongs being bulldozed al over Beijing. In their place would come high rise buildings, all generally lifeless. You only have to look at the soviet-era concrete clock housing to see how this experiment plays out long term. i spent most of my time living with a family in one of these, and was blown away by how much more socially rich and aesthetically pleasing the hutongs were.

Obviously, Beijing has to meet its housing needs, but destroying these hutongs to build business parks is ridiculous. The Chinese still know how to practice the art of living, and they just turn those places into ghost towns at night (had a friend who lived in one.) Maybe they'll change (change the "Chinese way"? hmmn), but and live like Wall St'ers or the Japanese, but they'll lose their soul and character in the process.

China is driven by the inferiority complex the CCP exploited and inflated to consolidate power -- the notion that China was shamed by Western powers, colonialists then the imperialist U.S. -- and all they are doing is using capitalism to suck in wealth then use it to emulate the West in a giant gave of "You think you're better than me? WELL WHO IS BETTER NOW! I can do everything you can!"

Hutong courtyard homes and neighborhoods have such a great pulse. Walking their narrows streets is like living in a park. How many streets in our cities evoke that much calm/peace and exude that much personality?

Google images: "hutong" for some great pictures.

Its just a shame.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Beijing has population and economic pressure to bulldoze and build UP, but the destruction of 1000 year old hutong neighborhoods is akin to burning rainforest for grazing land. I lived in the hutongs near here for a few months while studying in Beijing in 2006, and they are by far the coolest little neighborhoods I&#8217;ve ever seen. The homes are generally one or two stories, but were built 1000 year ago in the Ming Dynasty. Families have been living there for centuries &#8212; you have to look at this like we do biodiversity in rain forests. The social fabric there is so rich, that it justifies the inefficiencies of the buildings.</p>
<p>I saw hutongs being bulldozed al over Beijing. In their place would come high rise buildings, all generally lifeless. You only have to look at the soviet-era concrete clock housing to see how this experiment plays out long term. i spent most of my time living with a family in one of these, and was blown away by how much more socially rich and aesthetically pleasing the hutongs were.</p>
<p>Obviously, Beijing has to meet its housing needs, but destroying these hutongs to build business parks is ridiculous. The Chinese still know how to practice the art of living, and they just turn those places into ghost towns at night (had a friend who lived in one.) Maybe they&#8217;ll change (change the &#8220;Chinese way&#8221;? hmmn), but and live like Wall St&#8217;ers or the Japanese, but they&#8217;ll lose their soul and character in the process.</p>
<p>China is driven by the inferiority complex the CCP exploited and inflated to consolidate power &#8212; the notion that China was shamed by Western powers, colonialists then the imperialist U.S. &#8212; and all they are doing is using capitalism to suck in wealth then use it to emulate the West in a giant gave of &#8220;You think you&#8217;re better than me? WELL WHO IS BETTER NOW! I can do everything you can!&#8221;</p>
<p>Hutong courtyard homes and neighborhoods have such a great pulse. Walking their narrows streets is like living in a park. How many streets in our cities evoke that much calm/peace and exude that much personality?</p>
<p>Google images: &#8220;hutong&#8221; for some great pictures.</p>
<p>Its just a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Sgt. Slaughter</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite what David said above that area doesn't have any hutong-type homes.  Most of the structures currently there except for the Wanda-Center due east of the disgusting CCTV tower are drab cold-war era housing and nothing really worth saving.  Most of it is outside of the 3rd and 4th ring roads and the remaining "hutongs" that were meant to be protected are within the 2nd ring.
The big downside and kick in the ass to those forced from their homes is the spike in real estate for those buildings that remain.  The real estate is already over-priced and this will inhibit the average dude from living here in or around the CBD

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite what David said above that area doesn&#8217;t have any hutong-type homes.  Most of the structures currently there except for the Wanda-Center due east of the disgusting CCTV tower are drab cold-war era housing and nothing really worth saving.  Most of it is outside of the 3rd and 4th ring roads and the remaining &#8220;hutongs&#8221; that were meant to be protected are within the 2nd ring.<br />
The big downside and kick in the ass to those forced from their homes is the spike in real estate for those buildings that remain.  The real estate is already over-priced and this will inhibit the average dude from living here in or around the CBD</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The renderings look like the tried-and-failed tower in a park idea for CBDs: put up towers in the middle of traffic interchanges or on top of subway stations, and make it as hard as possible to walk from one building to another on the streets.

In Shanghai, the purpose-built CBD has already failed. Pudong/Lujiazui is a ghost town after hours. My Shanghainese classmates tell me that residents don't even go there - they hand out in Xujiahui, which is Union Square to Lujiazui's Wall Street. Even the subway station is empty by Shanghai standards outside rush hour.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The renderings look like the tried-and-failed tower in a park idea for CBDs: put up towers in the middle of traffic interchanges or on top of subway stations, and make it as hard as possible to walk from one building to another on the streets.</p>
<p>In Shanghai, the purpose-built CBD has already failed. Pudong/Lujiazui is a ghost town after hours. My Shanghainese classmates tell me that residents don&#8217;t even go there - they hand out in Xujiahui, which is Union Square to Lujiazui&#8217;s Wall Street. Even the subway station is empty by Shanghai standards outside rush hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brent,
  
 "the Chinese seem to value money and business over their citizens."...  Brent, I assume you are not an American.

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<p> &#8220;the Chinese seem to value money and business over their citizens.&#8221;&#8230;  Brent, I assume you are not an American.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would people who don't like capitalism want to move to China? China is an example of capitalism run amok- few labor and environmental laws, exploited workers, and a horrendously polluted environment.

Western Europe has a healthy mix of the private and public sectors.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would people who don&#8217;t like capitalism want to move to China? China is an example of capitalism run amok- few labor and environmental laws, exploited workers, and a horrendously polluted environment.</p>
<p>Western Europe has a healthy mix of the private and public sectors.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Lessard-Pilon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Lessard-Pilon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David: You don't happen to have any photos of that area, do you?

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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent spring semester 2009 at Capital University of Economics and Business studying Chinese language, and this is absolutely heartbreaking.   CUEB is at the corner of Chaoyang and Dawang roads (at the northeasternmost corner of the current CBD), and the areas just north and east, which are in the future expansion, are full of charming hutong-type residences and restaurants.
I hope, but without much faith, that the public's input will actually be considered here.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent spring semester 2009 at Capital University of Economics and Business studying Chinese language, and this is absolutely heartbreaking.   CUEB is at the corner of Chaoyang and Dawang roads (at the northeasternmost corner of the current CBD), and the areas just north and east, which are in the future expansion, are full of charming hutong-type residences and restaurants.<br />
I hope, but without much faith, that the public&#8217;s input will actually be considered here.</p>
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		<title>By: RH Maxi</title>
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		<dc:creator>RH Maxi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think modifying residential buildings into commercial towers and somehow shifting them around to fit the new street format is a cheap alternative. But they'd still save money and be ecologically sound if they reuse some material from the rubble into the new project. I've heard of construction firms in the Netherlands dedicated at making new buildings with 70-80% reused/recycled material from the local region. I just wish we could push Americans around enough to demolish Southern California and Arizona to build something like this. The "bicycle-friendly streets" part surprises me, last I heard Beijing actually banned bicycles to make more room for cars downtown.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think modifying residential buildings into commercial towers and somehow shifting them around to fit the new street format is a cheap alternative. But they&#8217;d still save money and be ecologically sound if they reuse some material from the rubble into the new project. I&#8217;ve heard of construction firms in the Netherlands dedicated at making new buildings with 70-80% reused/recycled material from the local region. I just wish we could push Americans around enough to demolish Southern California and Arizona to build something like this. The &#8220;bicycle-friendly streets&#8221; part surprises me, last I heard Beijing actually banned bicycles to make more room for cars downtown.</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn't it be more ecologically-sound and cheaper to retrofit the buildings already in the area than to buy and use the materials for these projects? Just another land and power grab to sell to companies at the expense of the people who have been living there for however long, destroying history and livelihoods for profitable 'progress'.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be more ecologically-sound and cheaper to retrofit the buildings already in the area than to buy and use the materials for these projects? Just another land and power grab to sell to companies at the expense of the people who have been living there for however long, destroying history and livelihoods for profitable &#8216;progress&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: SCVTalk.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; November 9, 2009 &#8211; Daily Brief</title>
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		<dc:creator>SCVTalk.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; November 9, 2009 &#8211; Daily Brief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now that&#8217;s how you do redevelopment: the City of Beijing will tear down 10,000 homes in an effort to expand its Central Business District INFRASTRUCTURIST [...]

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		<title>By: Snafu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snafu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know...all of our committees, groups, and agencies that our projects have to work their way through are really annoying at times (like in the case of the World Trade Center). They cause delays, entire aspects of a project are changed and reworked to please some small group...

But at least we have a voice. I can't but imagine how helpless you must feel living in that part of the city. You are a part of it, you make it what it is...but your government wants the big business and all their money so off you go.

All those people that protest about how capitalism is evil in America should be moving to China I suppose.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know&#8230;all of our committees, groups, and agencies that our projects have to work their way through are really annoying at times (like in the case of the World Trade Center). They cause delays, entire aspects of a project are changed and reworked to please some small group&#8230;</p>
<p>But at least we have a voice. I can&#8217;t but imagine how helpless you must feel living in that part of the city. You are a part of it, you make it what it is&#8230;but your government wants the big business and all their money so off you go.</p>
<p>All those people that protest about how capitalism is evil in America should be moving to China I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's incredible, but perhaps nothing compared to the millions displaced by the Three Rivers dam.  A friend of mine, who lived in China for some years, told me on Saturday that her experience there was not positive; the Chinese seem to value money and business over their citizens.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s incredible, but perhaps nothing compared to the millions displaced by the Three Rivers dam.  A friend of mine, who lived in China for some years, told me on Saturday that her experience there was not positive; the Chinese seem to value money and business over their citizens.</p>
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