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	<title>Comments on: Huh?! 4 Cases Of How Tearing Down A Highway Can Relieve Traffic Jams (And Save Your City)</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: farmville strategy</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/07/06/huh-4-cases-of-how-tearing-down-a-highway-can-relieve-traffic-jams-and-help-save-a-city/comment-page-3/#comment-13321</link>
		<dc:creator>farmville strategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say thankyou for posting this. I was a throughly enjoyable read and certainly opened my eyes to allot of things that I had not thought about before. Look forward to more from you.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say thankyou for posting this. I was a throughly enjoyable read and certainly opened my eyes to allot of things that I had not thought about before. Look forward to more from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Doole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Doole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, some research on Traffic Reduction -
On this page are two items:

http://www2.cege.ucl.ac.uk/cts/tsu/publications.asp?StaffID=33


1. 2002  Disappearing traffic: the story so far 
Have a look at page 4 for a list of road closure effects.
Some were involuntary, such as bridges falling down.

2. 1998 The summary of the full study:
Traffic impact of highway capacity reductions: assessment of the evidence

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, some research on Traffic Reduction -<br />
On this page are two items:</p>
<p><a href="http://www2.cege.ucl.ac.uk/cts/tsu/publications.asp?StaffID=33" rel="nofollow">http://www2.cege.ucl.ac.uk/cts/tsu/publications.asp?StaffID=33</a></p>
<p>1. 2002  Disappearing traffic: the story so far<br />
Have a look at page 4 for a list of road closure effects.<br />
Some were involuntary, such as bridges falling down.</p>
<p>2. 1998 The summary of the full study:<br />
Traffic impact of highway capacity reductions: assessment of the evidence</p>
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		<title>By: civics21.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is Seattle the odd man out?</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/07/06/huh-4-cases-of-how-tearing-down-a-highway-can-relieve-traffic-jams-and-help-save-a-city/comment-page-3/#comment-12581</link>
		<dc:creator>civics21.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is Seattle the odd man out?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The answer may, perhaps, lie with the Alaskan Way viaduct, and how Seattle is dealing with it&#8217;s aging. The notable cultural phenomenon that both Vancouver and Portland share (but Seattle does not) is a rejection of freeways. [...]

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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Buffalo Skyway is a particularly good example.  It's not even terribly busy *now* thanks to Buffalo's shrinkage -- there's absolutely no excuse for it.

Another cute example of closure *improving* traffic is Times Square.  Broadway knots up the entire traffic pattern in Manhattan; closing it at all the intersections with north-south streets speeds traffic up.  And people like it, too!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Buffalo Skyway is a particularly good example.  It&#8217;s not even terribly busy *now* thanks to Buffalo&#8217;s shrinkage &#8212; there&#8217;s absolutely no excuse for it.</p>
<p>Another cute example of closure *improving* traffic is Times Square.  Broadway knots up the entire traffic pattern in Manhattan; closing it at all the intersections with north-south streets speeds traffic up.  And people like it, too!</p>
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		<title>By: PROJECT FOR A REVOLUTION IN PHILADELPHIA &#124; Bear Market Investments</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/07/06/huh-4-cases-of-how-tearing-down-a-highway-can-relieve-traffic-jams-and-help-save-a-city/comment-page-3/#comment-11401</link>
		<dc:creator>PROJECT FOR A REVOLUTION IN PHILADELPHIA &#124; Bear Market Investments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] stays at home. As with others cities, Philadelphia should consider dismantling its highways (see: Braess Paradox), and should reject any federal attempt to build more roads. For the annual capital required for [...]

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		<title>By: Commodities Broker &#124; PROJECT FOR A REVOLUTION IN PHILADELPHIA &#124; Commodities Options &#124; Commodities Futures &#124; Commodities Prices</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/07/06/huh-4-cases-of-how-tearing-down-a-highway-can-relieve-traffic-jams-and-help-save-a-city/comment-page-3/#comment-11341</link>
		<dc:creator>Commodities Broker &#124; PROJECT FOR A REVOLUTION IN PHILADELPHIA &#124; Commodities Options &#124; Commodities Futures &#124; Commodities Prices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] stays at home. As with others cities, Philadelphia should consider dismantling its highways (see: Braess Paradox), and should reject any federal attempt to build more roads. For the annual capital required for [...]

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		<title>By: PROJECT FOR A REVOLUTION IN PHILADELPHIA &#124; Climate Vine</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/07/06/huh-4-cases-of-how-tearing-down-a-highway-can-relieve-traffic-jams-and-help-save-a-city/comment-page-3/#comment-11301</link>
		<dc:creator>PROJECT FOR A REVOLUTION IN PHILADELPHIA &#124; Climate Vine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] stays at home. As with others cities, Philadelphia should consider dismantling its highways (see: Braess Paradox), and should reject any federal attempt to build more roads. For the annual capital required for [...]

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		<title>By: Special Guest Post: Tunnel Digest &#124; hugeasscity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Special Guest Post: Tunnel Digest &#124; hugeasscity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for a different future&#8212;New York, London, Paris, Seoul, Copenhagen, San Francisco. Together, their successes show that it’s possible to relieve congestion, create beloved vibrant streets, grow the economy, [...]

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for a different future&#8212;New York, London, Paris, Seoul, Copenhagen, San Francisco. Together, their successes show that it’s possible to relieve congestion, create beloved vibrant streets, grow the economy, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: O Paradoxo de Braess e a Ampliação da Marginal &#124; Sedentário &#38; Hiperativo</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/07/06/huh-4-cases-of-how-tearing-down-a-highway-can-relieve-traffic-jams-and-help-save-a-city/comment-page-2/#comment-8137</link>
		<dc:creator>O Paradoxo de Braess e a Ampliação da Marginal &#124; Sedentário &#38; Hiperativo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Huh?! 4 Cases Of How Tearing Down A Highway Can Relieve Traffic Jams (And Save Your City) [...]

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		<title>By: Tear down the Seattle Viaduct and replace it with&#8230;? &#171; Living Sustainably</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/07/06/huh-4-cases-of-how-tearing-down-a-highway-can-relieve-traffic-jams-and-help-save-a-city/comment-page-2/#comment-6871</link>
		<dc:creator>Tear down the Seattle Viaduct and replace it with&#8230;? &#171; Living Sustainably</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the conundrum presented in the Infrastructurist post “Huh?! 4 Cases Of How Tearing Down A Highway Can Relieve Traffic Jams (And Save Your City)”, where four case studies are examined and show that removing roads can actually reduce traffic [...]

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is the conundrum presented in the Infrastructurist post “Huh?! 4 Cases Of How Tearing Down A Highway Can Relieve Traffic Jams (And Save Your City)”, where four case studies are examined and show that removing roads can actually reduce traffic [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 7 Urban Freeways To Tear Down Today&#8211;And What Tomorrow Might Look Like If We Do &#187; INFRASTRUCTURIST</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/07/06/huh-4-cases-of-how-tearing-down-a-highway-can-relieve-traffic-jams-and-help-save-a-city/comment-page-2/#comment-5295</link>
		<dc:creator>7 Urban Freeways To Tear Down Today&#8211;And What Tomorrow Might Look Like If We Do &#187; INFRASTRUCTURIST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at highway speed back then will require a huge amount of effort and money to undo today. But as we discussed in an earlier article, doing so is often the best decision a city can make: razing an ill-conceived highway can have huge [...]

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at highway speed back then will require a huge amount of effort and money to undo today. But as we discussed in an earlier article, doing so is often the best decision a city can make: razing an ill-conceived highway can have huge [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your use of Octavia Blvd. in SF as a positive outcome is ridiculous, and the photo of same is deceptive. The city of SF found that 45,000 cars a day---a good portion of the former freeway traffic---is now coming through the heart of that neighborhood every day. In short, it's a perpetual traffic jam on Octavia Blvd. People were congratulating themselves so much on getting rid of the freeway overpass that they apparently didn't notice the traffic disaster that has taken its place.

http://district5diary.blogspot.com/2009/05/octavia-blvd-disaster-is-finally-being.html

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your use of Octavia Blvd. in SF as a positive outcome is ridiculous, and the photo of same is deceptive. The city of SF found that 45,000 cars a day&#8212;a good portion of the former freeway traffic&#8212;is now coming through the heart of that neighborhood every day. In short, it&#8217;s a perpetual traffic jam on Octavia Blvd. People were congratulating themselves so much on getting rid of the freeway overpass that they apparently didn&#8217;t notice the traffic disaster that has taken its place.</p>
<p><a href="http://district5diary.blogspot.com/2009/05/octavia-blvd-disaster-is-finally-being.html" rel="nofollow">http://district5diary.blogspot.com/2009/05/octavia-blvd-disaster-is-finally-being.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: tas</title>
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		<dc:creator>tas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another comment about counter-productive decisions. Again, nationwide, the plea to reduce vehicular traffic and encourage and promote travel by rail can hit some irrational thinking.  

Albuquerque, NM has recently established a very successful train service between the town of Belen, NM to Albuquerque, to Santa Fe. The plan/ hope is to continue this train service south from Belen to Las Cruces, NM and then on to El Paso, Texas, thereby reducing the traffic on Interstate 10 (the hiway between  Las Cruces and El Paso). The last step for train service will be extending the train north from Santa Fe to Denver.  A great plan - train travel from El Paso, Texas all the way to Denver, Colorado, backed by the governor of NM and the public.

Unfortunately, that same governor (*not* the public) has also approved *$5 million* for a *study* to widen Interstate 10 (parallel to where the train racks would be), the main hiway between Las Cuces,NM and El Paso, Texas.

C'est la vie.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another comment about counter-productive decisions. Again, nationwide, the plea to reduce vehicular traffic and encourage and promote travel by rail can hit some irrational thinking.  </p>
<p>Albuquerque, NM has recently established a very successful train service between the town of Belen, NM to Albuquerque, to Santa Fe. The plan/ hope is to continue this train service south from Belen to Las Cruces, NM and then on to El Paso, Texas, thereby reducing the traffic on Interstate 10 (the hiway between  Las Cruces and El Paso). The last step for train service will be extending the train north from Santa Fe to Denver.  A great plan - train travel from El Paso, Texas all the way to Denver, Colorado, backed by the governor of NM and the public.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, that same governor (*not* the public) has also approved *$5 million* for a *study* to widen Interstate 10 (parallel to where the train racks would be), the main hiway between Las Cuces,NM and El Paso, Texas.</p>
<p>C&#8217;est la vie.</p>
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		<title>By: tas</title>
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		<dc:creator>tas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The leadership of the small southern NM city of Las Cruces has opted to go in the exact opposite direction: for the past two or so years many thousands of tax-payer dollars are being spent to tear up a three-block, downtown pedestrian mall in the hopes of "revitalizing downtown".  Altho each Saturday and Wednesday morning the broad, vehicle-free walkway bustles with hundreds of people - both local and out-of-town - shopping at the extensive Farmers and Crafts Market, the city leaders continue to, little-by-little, remove the overhead metal awnings which are so needed during the searing southwest summer sun in preparation to turn the pedestrian mall into a street.  Still, bearing the heat, the merchants and shoppers continue to swarm the area on market days.The city's next step will be to destroy the very large trees that now shade the mall because they are too large to be moved elsewhere.

One block has already been converted from the wide pedestrian walkway to a little two-way road lined with three-foot high lights. The metal awnings were long ago removed, as were the trees that lined either side of the walkway.  Those original trees - which would have been very large by now -  were relocated to a park,  replaced by new trees that are beginning to provide shade now.

Altho very attractive, it seems rather counterproductive to the nation-wide push to get cities to plant trees to absorb CO2 and, by the shade that  trees provide, to help in the reduction of energy needed for air conditioning, to encourage people to walk by reducing roads for motor vehicles, to encourage vehicle-free, open spaces in the centre of the city (as has recently been done in the middle of New York City) so people can gather and relax in a traffic-free environment.

I appreciate this article and the comments by other readers and I'm sending this website to my city council in hopes that they might reconsider their current plan, but I fear it won't help; many local citizens and market merchants have contested this plan - sadly, to no avail.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The leadership of the small southern NM city of Las Cruces has opted to go in the exact opposite direction: for the past two or so years many thousands of tax-payer dollars are being spent to tear up a three-block, downtown pedestrian mall in the hopes of &#8220;revitalizing downtown&#8221;.  Altho each Saturday and Wednesday morning the broad, vehicle-free walkway bustles with hundreds of people - both local and out-of-town - shopping at the extensive Farmers and Crafts Market, the city leaders continue to, little-by-little, remove the overhead metal awnings which are so needed during the searing southwest summer sun in preparation to turn the pedestrian mall into a street.  Still, bearing the heat, the merchants and shoppers continue to swarm the area on market days.The city&#8217;s next step will be to destroy the very large trees that now shade the mall because they are too large to be moved elsewhere.</p>
<p>One block has already been converted from the wide pedestrian walkway to a little two-way road lined with three-foot high lights. The metal awnings were long ago removed, as were the trees that lined either side of the walkway.  Those original trees - which would have been very large by now -  were relocated to a park,  replaced by new trees that are beginning to provide shade now.</p>
<p>Altho very attractive, it seems rather counterproductive to the nation-wide push to get cities to plant trees to absorb CO2 and, by the shade that  trees provide, to help in the reduction of energy needed for air conditioning, to encourage people to walk by reducing roads for motor vehicles, to encourage vehicle-free, open spaces in the centre of the city (as has recently been done in the middle of New York City) so people can gather and relax in a traffic-free environment.</p>
<p>I appreciate this article and the comments by other readers and I&#8217;m sending this website to my city council in hopes that they might reconsider their current plan, but I fear it won&#8217;t help; many local citizens and market merchants have contested this plan - sadly, to no avail.</p>
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		<title>By: Psychologist</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now only if they'd do the same thing for the Alaskan Way Viaduct here in Seattle - just tear it down and make the waterfront nicer.

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		<title>By: readings: on water - mammoth // building nothing out of something</title>
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		<dc:creator>readings: on water - mammoth // building nothing out of something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Guardian article via Infrastructurist.   This entry was written by rholmes, posted on July 22, 2009 at 12:06 pm, filed under readings and [...]

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		<title>By: why freedom is not liberty &#171; It would have been devastatingly beautiful.</title>
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		<dc:creator>why freedom is not liberty &#171; It would have been devastatingly beautiful.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] why freedom is not&#160;liberty July 20, 2009   Picking up on the previously noted Infrastructurist post, the New York Times&#8217; Andrew Revkin has featured Seoul&#8217;s success in tearing down an [...]

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		<title>By: The Daily Dig - &#8216;Hipsters Dip In Dumpsters&#8217; Edition &#187; INFRASTRUCTURIST</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Daily Dig - &#8216;Hipsters Dip In Dumpsters&#8217; Edition &#187; INFRASTRUCTURIST</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] up on our recent story about highway teardowns, the NY Times explores how cities around the world are seeking to follow [...]

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		<title>By: KD Brown</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These posts are fascinating - lots of "pro," some "con..."

The key to understanding transportation dynamics in North American cities is to recognize the location: North America. The car is king.

VERY important is to notice a key phrase in the original article: 1) tear down badly designed freeways; 2) provide the alternative. Without public transportation, a thorough redesign of pedestrian and bicycle routes, any freeway tear-down may face failure, and create a worse world than otherwise. 

Where the car is king, we have built spaces that are so spread out that it is very difficult to provide the alternative. Some of the new subdivisions are ugly and impossible to walk around. Pedestrian amenities and bike paths are pasted on after the fact, with the basic geography set by the automobile. So people who drive think that everything is fine; everyone else is left literally on the side of the road. Any city that experienced growth after the Second World War is left with these landscapes. Folks who drive see an economically advanced society as having recently paved roads, lots of businesses that are accessible to the auto, lots of shiny cars in paved sales lots. 

Folks who do not drive, who live in the centre of cities and get around on their feet or on two wheels prefer a tighter community with small shops, more concentrated development, more eyes per acre for public safety, police on foot, on the beat. Per acre a pedestrian economy is MUCH more complex, much richer, much more capable of facing an economic downturn than acres of big box blandness. Freeways do not serve the centre of the cities; they serve the folks who live in the suburbs. For these folks, tearing down a freeway seems to be the very opposite of economic growth, even if the positive benefits are legion, the economic studies show positive growth, and folks who live in the centre are happier.

Vancouver, BC has horrendous traffic; much of the "blame" for this is the fact that citizen groups blocked the development of large, centre of city freeways in the 1970's. It now has one of the most beautiful, walkable downtowns, but getting to the sprawling suburbs and into downtown from the sprawl is shear hell. The rapid transit system is barely capable of handling the traffic it gets, very underdeveloped for a city that size (2 million in Greater Vancouver). The tight core's business is dependent on the surrounding sprawl...

BUT... Where the rapid transit stations have been built in Vancouver and area, there is a corresponding development of much denser housing. So build it, and they WILL come. Don't build the alternative, and they certainly won't...

Another thing: development that is based on the automobile does not allow alternatives: too spread out for comfortable pedestrian use, too dangerous for bicycle use, and way too spread out to make transit economically feasible without large subsidies...

Subsidies? Data from the 1990's tells of a $7000.00 US per year subsidy for each car driver, for the cost of roads, accidents and uninsured drivers. (What is it now?) This does NOT include the cost of cleaning up the air pollution caused, or the cost of dealing with the pollution caused by crushing and "recycling" old cars. I personally would like to see my 7K used for rail, engineered bicycle lanes (bank them curves and let me fly!), pedestrian and future development, which may include radical ideas like tethered lighter than air craft (whaaaatever - let's use our inventive little brains to, well, invent...), wind powered superlight vehicles, skateboards with wings, something that will allow our economy to grow, rather than stagnate with a bankrupt auto/freeway/big box model...

Cheers.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These posts are fascinating - lots of &#8220;pro,&#8221; some &#8220;con&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The key to understanding transportation dynamics in North American cities is to recognize the location: North America. The car is king.</p>
<p>VERY important is to notice a key phrase in the original article: 1) tear down badly designed freeways; 2) provide the alternative. Without public transportation, a thorough redesign of pedestrian and bicycle routes, any freeway tear-down may face failure, and create a worse world than otherwise. </p>
<p>Where the car is king, we have built spaces that are so spread out that it is very difficult to provide the alternative. Some of the new subdivisions are ugly and impossible to walk around. Pedestrian amenities and bike paths are pasted on after the fact, with the basic geography set by the automobile. So people who drive think that everything is fine; everyone else is left literally on the side of the road. Any city that experienced growth after the Second World War is left with these landscapes. Folks who drive see an economically advanced society as having recently paved roads, lots of businesses that are accessible to the auto, lots of shiny cars in paved sales lots. </p>
<p>Folks who do not drive, who live in the centre of cities and get around on their feet or on two wheels prefer a tighter community with small shops, more concentrated development, more eyes per acre for public safety, police on foot, on the beat. Per acre a pedestrian economy is MUCH more complex, much richer, much more capable of facing an economic downturn than acres of big box blandness. Freeways do not serve the centre of the cities; they serve the folks who live in the suburbs. For these folks, tearing down a freeway seems to be the very opposite of economic growth, even if the positive benefits are legion, the economic studies show positive growth, and folks who live in the centre are happier.</p>
<p>Vancouver, BC has horrendous traffic; much of the &#8220;blame&#8221; for this is the fact that citizen groups blocked the development of large, centre of city freeways in the 1970&#8217;s. It now has one of the most beautiful, walkable downtowns, but getting to the sprawling suburbs and into downtown from the sprawl is shear hell. The rapid transit system is barely capable of handling the traffic it gets, very underdeveloped for a city that size (2 million in Greater Vancouver). The tight core&#8217;s business is dependent on the surrounding sprawl&#8230;</p>
<p>BUT&#8230; Where the rapid transit stations have been built in Vancouver and area, there is a corresponding development of much denser housing. So build it, and they WILL come. Don&#8217;t build the alternative, and they certainly won&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
<p>Another thing: development that is based on the automobile does not allow alternatives: too spread out for comfortable pedestrian use, too dangerous for bicycle use, and way too spread out to make transit economically feasible without large subsidies&#8230;</p>
<p>Subsidies? Data from the 1990&#8217;s tells of a $7000.00 US per year subsidy for each car driver, for the cost of roads, accidents and uninsured drivers. (What is it now?) This does NOT include the cost of cleaning up the air pollution caused, or the cost of dealing with the pollution caused by crushing and &#8220;recycling&#8221; old cars. I personally would like to see my 7K used for rail, engineered bicycle lanes (bank them curves and let me fly!), pedestrian and future development, which may include radical ideas like tethered lighter than air craft (whaaaatever - let&#8217;s use our inventive little brains to, well, invent&#8230;), wind powered superlight vehicles, skateboards with wings, something that will allow our economy to grow, rather than stagnate with a bankrupt auto/freeway/big box model&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: A River Runs Under It &#171; s u p e r b l o g</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have a story running in The Times and International Herald Tribune on one of the most remarkable such transformations — the restoration of the &#160;Cheonggyecheon in Seoul, South Korea. Through more than six centuries of settlement, the stream went from being a revered feature of the landscape to an open sewer to a buried, forgotten storm drain and now to a three-mile corridor of burbling waters, milling carp, strolling picnickers and relative quiet in one of the powerhouse metropolises of Asia. You can see a video report on that effort at the bottom of this post. The Seoul stream project was integrated with a parallel effort to take away highways and improve public transportation. [...]

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		<title>By: A River Runs Under It - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have a story running in The Times and International Herald Tribune on one of the most remarkable such transformations &#8212; the restoration of the Cheonggyecheon in Seoul, South Korea. Through more than six centuries of settlement, the stream went from being a revered feature of the landscape to an open sewer to a buried, forgotten storm drain and now to a three-mile corridor of burbling waters, milling carp, strolling picnickers and relative quiet in one of the powerhouse metropolises of Asia. You can see a video report on that effort at the bottom of this post. The Seoul stream project was integrated with a parallel effort to take away highways and improve public transportation. [...]

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		<title>By: Jade</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Concept!, Hope our policy makers could study this idea or maybe there still buzy making money out of the infamous black gold...
Hmmm... 
Well if you remove the cars in the first place, then you'll have zero traffic.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Concept!, Hope our policy makers could study this idea or maybe there still buzy making money out of the infamous black gold&#8230;<br />
Hmmm&#8230;<br />
Well if you remove the cars in the first place, then you&#8217;ll have zero traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a San Francisco resident -- for over 25 years -- who knew the City well before and after the demolitions.  Yes, San Francisco is better off without the freeways.  Yes, there is more traffic.  There are also many, many more people walking and riding transit and biking.  There are many more people strolling, people-watching and coming back the next day for more.  No question:  both projects have made these neighborhoods more beautiful, more vital and more safe.  There's more to city life than getting from one place to another.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a San Francisco resident &#8212; for over 25 years &#8212; who knew the City well before and after the demolitions.  Yes, San Francisco is better off without the freeways.  Yes, there is more traffic.  There are also many, many more people walking and riding transit and biking.  There are many more people strolling, people-watching and coming back the next day for more.  No question:  both projects have made these neighborhoods more beautiful, more vital and more safe.  There&#8217;s more to city life than getting from one place to another.</p>
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		<title>By: Some cities tear down freeways, and traffic improves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some cities tear down freeways, and traffic improves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What if Madison didn&#8217;t have a Beltline?  But instead on each side of town it had a network about about 3 east-west and 3 north-south roads that all resemble East Washington Avenue or Highway PD?  In the past week, I&#8217;ve caught a few blogs that discuss this topic, including this one:  http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/07/06/huh-4-cases-of-how-tearing-down-a-highway-can-relieve-tra... [...]

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		<title>By: promessa é dívida: por que eu não gosto da ampliação da marginal tietê &#171; blog da Serena</title>
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		<dc:creator>promessa é dívida: por que eu não gosto da ampliação da marginal tietê &#171; blog da Serena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] contrário: para resolver o problema do trânsito, o mais eficiente é fechar a estrada. Duvida? Os caras do site The Infrastructurist analisaram 4 casos onde isso foi feito (Seul, Portland e duas estradas em São Francisco), todos com resultados positivos (clica, clica! [...]

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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC is maddening, because the plans were changed so many times.  Originally, there were to be three Beltways, an inner, a middle (which was built) and an outer.  The inner would have torn through historic Black neighborhoods (and Georgetown!).  Both the inner and outer were abandoned, which explains why oddities such as the E-street expressway, and the very odd junctions of 295,  395 and 495 in Anacostia exist.

I also want to give a shout-out to the town planners of Breezewood, PA.  They refused to allow a junction for the PA turnpike, so if you're getting on the pike, you have to leave the highway and drive through the city.  It's a bizarre place, made up entirely of chain restaurants, motels and gas stations, but it is definitely recession proof!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC is maddening, because the plans were changed so many times.  Originally, there were to be three Beltways, an inner, a middle (which was built) and an outer.  The inner would have torn through historic Black neighborhoods (and Georgetown!).  Both the inner and outer were abandoned, which explains why oddities such as the E-street expressway, and the very odd junctions of 295,  395 and 495 in Anacostia exist.</p>
<p>I also want to give a shout-out to the town planners of Breezewood, PA.  They refused to allow a junction for the PA turnpike, so if you&#8217;re getting on the pike, you have to leave the highway and drive through the city.  It&#8217;s a bizarre place, made up entirely of chain restaurants, motels and gas stations, but it is definitely recession proof!</p>
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		<title>By: Counter-intuitive but cool &#171; The MisseLaneius Manifesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Counter-intuitive but cool &#171; The MisseLaneius Manifesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but&#160;cool July 14, 2009 &#8212; misselaneius   I&#8217;m gobsmacked&#8230; tearing down freeways can apparently be good for traffic flow&#8230; That is all.   Posted in Uncategorized. Tags: awesome, public transport, quickun, traffic [...]

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		<title>By: truthteller</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets tear down I-5 from Blaine to San Diego.  Then traffic will be so much better.
Car haters have been around since the invention of the car.  Back then, they all wanted us to ride horses.  Now they all want us to ride bicycles.  The haters are the minority and always will be.  Drivers vote and voters want more freeways, not less.
But I will admit that these examples were good candidates for other freeways to replace them.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets tear down I-5 from Blaine to San Diego.  Then traffic will be so much better.<br />
Car haters have been around since the invention of the car.  Back then, they all wanted us to ride horses.  Now they all want us to ride bicycles.  The haters are the minority and always will be.  Drivers vote and voters want more freeways, not less.<br />
But I will admit that these examples were good candidates for other freeways to replace them.</p>
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		<title>By: urban ecologies, natural pathways &#171; It would have been devastatingly beautiful.</title>
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		<dc:creator>urban ecologies, natural pathways &#171; It would have been devastatingly beautiful.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] such a notion of &#8216;urban ecology&#8217; is not merely theoretical.  As The Infrastructurist notes, tearing down elevated freeways has a visible effect upon an urban landscape.  While [...]

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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In each case, was there a similarly or larger sized replacement outside of the City core?

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		<title>By: Campaign for a Free and Clear Lakefront</title>
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		<dc:creator>Campaign for a Free and Clear Lakefront</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depave Lake Shore Drive!

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		<title>By: links for 2009-07-10 &#171; 6 to cut, 4 to sharpen</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-07-10 &#171; 6 to cut, 4 to sharpen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Huh?! 4 Cases Of How Tearing Down A Highway Can Relieve Traffic Jams (And Save Your City) &#124; INFRASTR... For the Ministry of the Impossible &#8211; ways to drastically change a city for the better. (tags: transportation traffic urban architecture design infrastructure) [...]

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		<title>By: Tear it down and they will go away &#171; Price Tags</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tear it down and they will go away &#171; Price Tags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tear it down and they will go&#160;away  From The Infrastructuralist: [...]

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		<title>By: Save the Motorists, Kill a Freeway: The Infrastructurist looks at three cities&#8230; &#124; Sell My House Fast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Save the Motorists, Kill a Freeway: The Infrastructurist looks at three cities&#8230; &#124; Sell My House Fast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Infrastructurist looks at three cities that have improved traffic flow by getting rid of highway... that had no business being built in the first place. Induced demand and a theorem called the Braess Paradox help explain the unexpected outcome. The Infrastructurist reminds us there are lots of good reasons to knock down a highway, like &#8220;improving citizen health, restoring the local environment, and energizing the regional economy,&#8221; and before and after pictures of Seoul, Portland, and San Francisco prove it looks nice too. So what do you think, should we start with the Glendale Freeway? [The Infrastructurist; image courtesy of]   Share and Enjoy: [...]

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Infrastructurist looks at three cities that have improved traffic flow by getting rid of highway&#8230; that had no business being built in the first place. Induced demand and a theorem called the Braess Paradox help explain the unexpected outcome. The Infrastructurist reminds us there are lots of good reasons to knock down a highway, like &#8220;improving citizen health, restoring the local environment, and energizing the regional economy,&#8221; and before and after pictures of Seoul, Portland, and San Francisco prove it looks nice too. So what do you think, should we start with the Glendale Freeway? [The Infrastructurist; image courtesy of]   Share and Enjoy: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/07/06/huh-4-cases-of-how-tearing-down-a-highway-can-relieve-traffic-jams-and-help-save-a-city/comment-page-2/#comment-3865</link>
		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put all such systems below ground, or on the floor but create elevated pedestrian walkways. Are we so poor and backwards that we can't have dedicated high-speed high-capacity traffic systems AND elegant pedestrian-only boulevards for the public to enjoy?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put all such systems below ground, or on the floor but create elevated pedestrian walkways. Are we so poor and backwards that we can&#8217;t have dedicated high-speed high-capacity traffic systems AND elegant pedestrian-only boulevards for the public to enjoy?</p>
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