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	<title>Comments on: Talking Trains With Michael Dukakis, Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-13405</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why exactly does New England have non-existing planning? The money is going to dry up before New England even gets in the game, and New England is the dense region most likely to benefit! The NEC is going to have to find a way to find money for this on its own because the federal funds are probably never going to materialize in sufficient quantities before opposition arrives back in congress. I don't think there's just enough public support out there, despite the merit and dire need in urbanized areas.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why exactly does New England have non-existing planning? The money is going to dry up before New England even gets in the game, and New England is the dense region most likely to benefit! The NEC is going to have to find a way to find money for this on its own because the federal funds are probably never going to materialize in sufficient quantities before opposition arrives back in congress. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s just enough public support out there, despite the merit and dire need in urbanized areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miami Fl to Ny Ny takes 26 hours 58 mins via amtrak, that's around 47.4 mph, if they could boost that to 165 that would be 7.745 hours, and another 200 miles past ny ny you're in boston MA.  The one time investment to buy the infrastructure to allow passenger trains to go 220Mph from DC to Boston would cut the running costs of the line by 66%.  Suddenly the public would have cheaper options that are much faster.

Maintnance for rolling stock, including passenger cars and locomotives is most directly effected by the hours of operation.  Not only that, but the personnel costs would drop by 66% as well.  In addition, you would need fewer trainsets to cover the same schedules.

The benefits amtrak's NEC would see could then be used to help reduce Amtrak's overruns, and fund other high volume inter city corridors.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miami Fl to Ny Ny takes 26 hours 58 mins via amtrak, that&#8217;s around 47.4 mph, if they could boost that to 165 that would be 7.745 hours, and another 200 miles past ny ny you&#8217;re in boston MA.  The one time investment to buy the infrastructure to allow passenger trains to go 220Mph from DC to Boston would cut the running costs of the line by 66%.  Suddenly the public would have cheaper options that are much faster.</p>
<p>Maintnance for rolling stock, including passenger cars and locomotives is most directly effected by the hours of operation.  Not only that, but the personnel costs would drop by 66% as well.  In addition, you would need fewer trainsets to cover the same schedules.</p>
<p>The benefits amtrak&#8217;s NEC would see could then be used to help reduce Amtrak&#8217;s overruns, and fund other high volume inter city corridors.</p>
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		<title>By: Economic Development: The Missing Link in a National Clean Energy Policy : Apollo Alliance</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-8993</link>
		<dc:creator>Economic Development: The Missing Link in a National Clean Energy Policy : Apollo Alliance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jebediah. Talking Trains with Michael Dukakis. The Infrastructurist. May 21, [...]

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		<title>By: spuffler</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it not amazing how impatient shipping practices weaned us away from the most economical mode of transportation? "No, ship it by truck, it will get here faster". There are situations where faster is necessary, but think about all the tractor trailer rigs which are crossing the country at any moment of the day. Now cut half of that into 4 or so trains, hauling a hundred boxcars of freight. All the money that has been wasted on being so impatient that we must have it 2 days sooner than the speed of rail.

I live in New England, just north of the dukes old stomping grounds, and in my 50 years of life, I've traveled on Amtrak one time, coast to coast, in sleepers, loved almost every minute of it (those substandard freight tracks in the midwest are downright dangerous when you are walking in the passenger car on the upper level). The down side apart from that is where I had to surrender 3 days of my vacation just to 'get there'. I'd only save a few hours if the Chicago to LA speed increased 50%, because that leg hit 70MPH and the delays were those bad tracks, refueling in Phoenix, yielding rights of way and all the stops. The Boston to Chicago leg would need considerable improvement to yield significant time reduction, if I recall the car steward correctly, we averaged about 50MPH, with delays caused by trackage related issues (curve too sharp for higher speeds, many grade crossings on the existing rail corridor, which existed mostly because freight still ran on rail).

I'd be looking for those rail services to improve, certainly.

I'm not at all sure that local passenger rail will work well for me. I live 50 minutes from the nearest passenger rail terminal (that commute time is not an estimate, I drove it daily for over a year)... then add a 30+ minute commute to get into Boston from that terminal. I can presently do that in my car, since I rarely go to Boston. If I had some reason to regularly commute at all by passenger rail, I most likely won't be going into the parts of Boston where mass transit is in service (and for that end, is the T and is MBTA all that reliable?), that means my automobile drive would be significantly less than 80 minutes. If I commute by rail to areas where I've seen employers, I'm pretty sure I'd need a cab from whatever passenger terminal was closest to where the employer did business. Put those costs and time delays together and I might as well keep the car.

As such, I feel the latter improvements would not impact my life very much, that aside from my appreciating the trend towards greener transportation for others.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it not amazing how impatient shipping practices weaned us away from the most economical mode of transportation? &#8220;No, ship it by truck, it will get here faster&#8221;. There are situations where faster is necessary, but think about all the tractor trailer rigs which are crossing the country at any moment of the day. Now cut half of that into 4 or so trains, hauling a hundred boxcars of freight. All the money that has been wasted on being so impatient that we must have it 2 days sooner than the speed of rail.</p>
<p>I live in New England, just north of the dukes old stomping grounds, and in my 50 years of life, I&#8217;ve traveled on Amtrak one time, coast to coast, in sleepers, loved almost every minute of it (those substandard freight tracks in the midwest are downright dangerous when you are walking in the passenger car on the upper level). The down side apart from that is where I had to surrender 3 days of my vacation just to &#8216;get there&#8217;. I&#8217;d only save a few hours if the Chicago to LA speed increased 50%, because that leg hit 70MPH and the delays were those bad tracks, refueling in Phoenix, yielding rights of way and all the stops. The Boston to Chicago leg would need considerable improvement to yield significant time reduction, if I recall the car steward correctly, we averaged about 50MPH, with delays caused by trackage related issues (curve too sharp for higher speeds, many grade crossings on the existing rail corridor, which existed mostly because freight still ran on rail).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be looking for those rail services to improve, certainly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all sure that local passenger rail will work well for me. I live 50 minutes from the nearest passenger rail terminal (that commute time is not an estimate, I drove it daily for over a year)&#8230; then add a 30+ minute commute to get into Boston from that terminal. I can presently do that in my car, since I rarely go to Boston. If I had some reason to regularly commute at all by passenger rail, I most likely won&#8217;t be going into the parts of Boston where mass transit is in service (and for that end, is the T and is MBTA all that reliable?), that means my automobile drive would be significantly less than 80 minutes. If I commute by rail to areas where I&#8217;ve seen employers, I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;d need a cab from whatever passenger terminal was closest to where the employer did business. Put those costs and time delays together and I might as well keep the car.</p>
<p>As such, I feel the latter improvements would not impact my life very much, that aside from my appreciating the trend towards greener transportation for others.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcelo Benoit</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-3165</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcelo Benoit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modern rail concept, with trains pulled by locomotives is more than 200 years old and as modern and useful as ever.  German Maglev it´s 38 years old and in the way out:  there is only ONE line operating in China with a hugh deficit because it went to nowhere and spend a lot of electricity.  It´s a hugh white elephant.  The test track in Germany will be demolished.  Long live the rail!

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		<title>By: The Infrastructurist &#124; The Daily Dig - High Speed Rail Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2898</link>
		<dc:creator>The Infrastructurist &#124; The Daily Dig - High Speed Rail Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] picking up on the Infrastructurist&#8217;s Dukakis interview (?), the Boston Globe cites Duke&#8217;s urgent message that it&#8217;s time for New England [...]

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		<title>By: Tom West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If rail is a 19th century technology, then so are cars, as are bikes, rubber tyres, steel, electricity....

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		<title>By: The Daily Dig - High Speed Rail Edition &#187; INFRASTRUCTURIST</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2289</link>
		<dc:creator>The Daily Dig - High Speed Rail Edition &#187; INFRASTRUCTURIST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] picking up on the Infrastructurist&#8217;s Dukakis interview (?), the Boston Globe cites Duke&#8217;s urgent message that it&#8217;s time for New England [...]

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		<title>By: Michael Dukakis: Obama Needs To Revive Train Manufacturing Industry &#187; INFRASTRUCTURIST</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2163</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dukakis: Obama Needs To Revive Train Manufacturing Industry &#187; INFRASTRUCTURIST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 12:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week we ran part one of our recent interview with Michael Dukakis, in which he discussed how building transit will lead [...]

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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2124</link>
		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 01:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's so cute watching the maglev, PRT and tubular rail shills bombard blogs and news articles with their pipe dream failures.

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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2078</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Spinelli,

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		<title>By: Michael D. Setty</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2077</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael D. Setty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish people like John Spinelli would stop using the "19th Century technology" shibboleth. For the record, Mr. Spinelli, CONCRETE was invented by the Romans and the wheel was invented about the 5th Millenium B.C.

As for your "21st Century technology" (sic), it looks like some form of maglev; if so, how are you going to keep it in proper alignment when I understand most maglevs have tolerances to within 12-15 mm or so?? Like any form of fixed guideway, high speeds = closer tolerances.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish people like John Spinelli would stop using the &#8220;19th Century technology&#8221; shibboleth. For the record, Mr. Spinelli, CONCRETE was invented by the Romans and the wheel was invented about the 5th Millenium B.C.</p>
<p>As for your &#8220;21st Century technology&#8221; (sic), it looks like some form of maglev; if so, how are you going to keep it in proper alignment when I understand most maglevs have tolerances to within 12-15 mm or so?? Like any form of fixed guideway, high speeds = closer tolerances.</p>
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		<title>By: TLP</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2068</link>
		<dc:creator>TLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has there been any serious research into this tubular rail idea, or any prototypes constructed? All those pretty pictures on the website look silly, but I'd love to see a working model, even a way scaled down simplified one.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has there been any serious research into this tubular rail idea, or any prototypes constructed? All those pretty pictures on the website look silly, but I&#8217;d love to see a working model, even a way scaled down simplified one.</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Dig - High Speed Rail Edition &#187; INFRASTRUCTURIST</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2063</link>
		<dc:creator>The Daily Dig - High Speed Rail Edition &#187; INFRASTRUCTURIST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michael Dukakis told us earlier this week, the northeast is lagging miserably in the planning for high speed rail. Until [...]

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		<title>By: John Spinelli</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2037</link>
		<dc:creator>John Spinelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 06:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America needs to rethink how it thinks about trains and transit. Newer, advanced train technology, one that is geared to the future for speed and energy efficiency and that dramatically cuts the cost of conventional track systems, the kind Mr. Dukakis speaks so fondly of in the article, is here now, and its called Tubular Rail technology. Watch our "trackless train" technology on the Discovery Channel program called "FutureTrains" here: http://www.tubularrail.com/video.htm). Then ask yourself whether 19th century train technology is what you want to invest in, or whether you want to invest in "transformational technology" that represents a new standard for a new industry? The choice should be clear. If you would choose light bulbs or candles, cars over stagecoaches, planes or balloons, cruise ships over Spanish galleons, modern medicine over snake oil or industry's advancement over its previous efforts, then Tubular Rail represents the next mode in passenger transport. America has squandered its rail legacy, and Americans, so in love with their cars and the sense of independence they derive from them, have not the mindset to pay for building out a new system because they fundamentally don't understand the purpose of paying taxes in general or a transit tax in particular. But a reliable, dedicated stream of funding is needed to do just that, but all the cues in the culture hide or denigrate riding with one or more people while all the cues says cars and roads, which lead to sprawl and isolation, are part and parcel of growth and development. Not the case, but TRT represents a Wright Brother's moment.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America needs to rethink how it thinks about trains and transit. Newer, advanced train technology, one that is geared to the future for speed and energy efficiency and that dramatically cuts the cost of conventional track systems, the kind Mr. Dukakis speaks so fondly of in the article, is here now, and its called Tubular Rail technology. Watch our &#8220;trackless train&#8221; technology on the Discovery Channel program called &#8220;FutureTrains&#8221; here: <a href="http://www.tubularrail.com/video.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tubularrail.com/video.htm</a>). Then ask yourself whether 19th century train technology is what you want to invest in, or whether you want to invest in &#8220;transformational technology&#8221; that represents a new standard for a new industry? The choice should be clear. If you would choose light bulbs or candles, cars over stagecoaches, planes or balloons, cruise ships over Spanish galleons, modern medicine over snake oil or industry&#8217;s advancement over its previous efforts, then Tubular Rail represents the next mode in passenger transport. America has squandered its rail legacy, and Americans, so in love with their cars and the sense of independence they derive from them, have not the mindset to pay for building out a new system because they fundamentally don&#8217;t understand the purpose of paying taxes in general or a transit tax in particular. But a reliable, dedicated stream of funding is needed to do just that, but all the cues in the culture hide or denigrate riding with one or more people while all the cues says cars and roads, which lead to sprawl and isolation, are part and parcel of growth and development. Not the case, but TRT represents a Wright Brother&#8217;s moment.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mooch</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/05/21/talking-trains-with-michael-dukakis-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2020</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mooch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just made Michael Dukakis my screen saver. 

It would be better if he was wearing a train conductor's hat though.

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		<title>By: Chris Miller&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Miller&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Infrastructurist and Michael Dukakis talk trains: It’s a chicken and egg thing. If you build first-class rail-based public transportation systems, over time you’ll get the kind of cities you want. Boston was in bad shape in the 60s when we were having this ten year debate over the so-called master highway plan. We were doing the same thing as everyone else, building highways and inviting people to leave town. Well, today Boston is arguably the most successful city in the country. Why? Because we stopped building highways. Admittedly we had a subway in place. But it was in terrible shape. This isn’t complicated: fixed rail produces dense, walkable cities. Highways produce sprawl. Take your pick.     Leave a Reply [...]

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