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	<title>Comments on: Why the Vehicle-Miles Traveled Tax Is Getting Short Changed</title>
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		<title>By: Why I am opposed to a Vehicle Miles Traveled Tax &#124; Increase Our Taxes</title>
		<link>http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/02/24/why-the-vehicle-miles-travelled-tax-is-getting-short-changed/comment-page-1/#comment-7260</link>
		<dc:creator>Why I am opposed to a Vehicle Miles Traveled Tax &#124; Increase Our Taxes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] floating of the idea, there exists nonetheless a substantial contingent of wonks who continue to agitate for the idea.  The idea of a VMT tax feels more like a high modernist scheme than a well-considered [...]

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] floating of the idea, there exists nonetheless a substantial contingent of wonks who continue to agitate for the idea.  The idea of a VMT tax feels more like a high modernist scheme than a well-considered [...]</p>
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		<title>By: This is just scary - Sportbikes.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>This is just scary - Sportbikes.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 00:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Lexington Streetsweeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Lexington Streetsweeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VMT may not be the answer, but not for the reasons given.  Marty, the satellites are already there as are the billing systems(every county seat has a vehicle licensing office or two), therefore NO new bureaucracy needed  It is not designed to promote fuel efficiency nor reduce gas emissions, it IS designed to collect taxes for the actual USE of the roadway systems in America.  The current system, when factoring in the reduction of driving, the increase in fuel efficiency and the increase in alternative fuels, starts to be unsustainable.  A case in point was this past year, where the Highway Trust Fund came up $8 billion short.  In short order, our highway will become undrivable for anyone.

On the privacy note, anybody who has a vehicle equipped with OnStar, already has the GPS, recording monitor and the transmission mode installed.  All OnStar autos have the ability to eavesdrop on any conversation(with the added convenience of knowing exactly where you are) at any time.  Oddly enough, all cell phones manufactured in the past five years can do the same thing, whether you have it on or not.

Something I have not seen anywhere is the idea to apply time of day to the collection of data, or even the weight of the vehicles.  Believe it or not the computer which controls the engine already knows this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VMT may not be the answer, but not for the reasons given.  Marty, the satellites are already there as are the billing systems(every county seat has a vehicle licensing office or two), therefore NO new bureaucracy needed  It is not designed to promote fuel efficiency nor reduce gas emissions, it IS designed to collect taxes for the actual USE of the roadway systems in America.  The current system, when factoring in the reduction of driving, the increase in fuel efficiency and the increase in alternative fuels, starts to be unsustainable.  A case in point was this past year, where the Highway Trust Fund came up $8 billion short.  In short order, our highway will become undrivable for anyone.</p>
<p>On the privacy note, anybody who has a vehicle equipped with OnStar, already has the GPS, recording monitor and the transmission mode installed.  All OnStar autos have the ability to eavesdrop on any conversation(with the added convenience of knowing exactly where you are) at any time.  Oddly enough, all cell phones manufactured in the past five years can do the same thing, whether you have it on or not.</p>
<p>Something I have not seen anywhere is the idea to apply time of day to the collection of data, or even the weight of the vehicles.  Believe it or not the computer which controls the engine already knows this.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to comment sarcastically about how wonderful it would be if there were some way to tax the actual *energy* that vehicles use, but I see that Marty has covered the point adequately.  In fact, with two short paragraphs, he's managed to debunk your entire 900 word article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to comment sarcastically about how wonderful it would be if there were some way to tax the actual *energy* that vehicles use, but I see that Marty has covered the point adequately.  In fact, with two short paragraphs, he&#8217;s managed to debunk your entire 900 word article.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VMT is not the answer.  It requires expensive infrastructure (satellites and billing systems), imposes another bureaucracy to collect VMT fees, and will certainly provoke the ire and opposition of privacy rights activists.  Plus, it does little to promote fuel efficiency or greenhouse gas emission reductions.

Increasing the gasoline tax capitalizes on a revenue generating system that is already fully in place.  It is anonymous and doesn't infringe on personal privacy, and isn't prone to individual tampering.  It rewards those who drive fuel efficient vehicles and practice sensible vehicle operating practices, such as minimizing idling.  Reductions in fuel consumption translate directly into cleaner air and reduced carbon emissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VMT is not the answer.  It requires expensive infrastructure (satellites and billing systems), imposes another bureaucracy to collect VMT fees, and will certainly provoke the ire and opposition of privacy rights activists.  Plus, it does little to promote fuel efficiency or greenhouse gas emission reductions.</p>
<p>Increasing the gasoline tax capitalizes on a revenue generating system that is already fully in place.  It is anonymous and doesn&#8217;t infringe on personal privacy, and isn&#8217;t prone to individual tampering.  It rewards those who drive fuel efficient vehicles and practice sensible vehicle operating practices, such as minimizing idling.  Reductions in fuel consumption translate directly into cleaner air and reduced carbon emissions.</p>
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		<title>By: Deron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thoughtful response, and I agree that if existing policy tools like the gas tax and road pricing (tolling, congestion pricing) are adequate for achieving important goals (energy savings, fiscal balance, transportation system efficiency, personal mobility, etc.), then we may not have to make use of this tool.

However, in the long run if we are serious about ramping down our gasoline use -- and I hope we are -- by boosting vehicle efficiency and shifting to alternative energy sources for transportation, this policy tool will be very helpful for achieving those goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thoughtful response, and I agree that if existing policy tools like the gas tax and road pricing (tolling, congestion pricing) are adequate for achieving important goals (energy savings, fiscal balance, transportation system efficiency, personal mobility, etc.), then we may not have to make use of this tool.</p>
<p>However, in the long run if we are serious about ramping down our gasoline use &#8212; and I hope we are &#8212; by boosting vehicle efficiency and shifting to alternative energy sources for transportation, this policy tool will be very helpful for achieving those goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Vin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does congestion pricing need to be local? True, it is most effective in dense urban cores, but there are mechanisms through which more national schemes could be implemented. The government could implement a variable congestion charge on all interstate highways. Cities with downtown congestion pricing could receive extra transportation dollars from the federal government. Indeed, highway funding dollars have been used as an effective federal stick on everything from speed limits to drug policy - it could be tied in here, too. Various forms of congestion pricing need to be implemented more widely, and the government should absolutely encourage this.

That said, I don't see the big advantage of the VMT. It seems to me that the most sensible transportation funding solution would combine congestion pricing schemes with a considerably higher gas tax. The basic policy outlined in this post - reduce traffic, manage it, and only then increase capacity - is very intelligent. I just don't see how a VMT helps to achieve this goal any more than gas taxes and congestion pricing. The VMT isn't exactly a horrible idea, and, yes, the privacy concerns could likely be worked through. It just seems superfluous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does congestion pricing need to be local? True, it is most effective in dense urban cores, but there are mechanisms through which more national schemes could be implemented. The government could implement a variable congestion charge on all interstate highways. Cities with downtown congestion pricing could receive extra transportation dollars from the federal government. Indeed, highway funding dollars have been used as an effective federal stick on everything from speed limits to drug policy - it could be tied in here, too. Various forms of congestion pricing need to be implemented more widely, and the government should absolutely encourage this.</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t see the big advantage of the VMT. It seems to me that the most sensible transportation funding solution would combine congestion pricing schemes with a considerably higher gas tax. The basic policy outlined in this post - reduce traffic, manage it, and only then increase capacity - is very intelligent. I just don&#8217;t see how a VMT helps to achieve this goal any more than gas taxes and congestion pricing. The VMT isn&#8217;t exactly a horrible idea, and, yes, the privacy concerns could likely be worked through. It just seems superfluous.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Blogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Charging for the Use of Our Roads?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Blogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Charging for the Use of Our Roads?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] receive serious consideration, because as Rob Puentes of the Brookings Institution and I write in an infrastructurist.com piece, while there are valid concerns about program design,&#160;the baby shouldn&#8217;t be thrown out [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] receive serious consideration, because as Rob Puentes of the Brookings Institution and I write in an infrastructurist.com piece, while there are valid concerns about program design,&nbsp;the baby shouldn&#8217;t be thrown out [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odometer reporting may be workable, although it wouldn't be as reliable as other means of monitoring. And we don't think this policy and gas taxes are mutually exclusive.

I don't understand why the argument that this is good local policy isn't an additional reason for considering it statewide and nationally.

I also assume none of those concerned about privacy carry a cell phone or Blackberry, which compromises privacy vis-a-vis location much, much more than a mileage-reading device in your car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odometer reporting may be workable, although it wouldn&#8217;t be as reliable as other means of monitoring. And we don&#8217;t think this policy and gas taxes are mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why the argument that this is good local policy isn&#8217;t an additional reason for considering it statewide and nationally.</p>
<p>I also assume none of those concerned about privacy carry a cell phone or Blackberry, which compromises privacy vis-a-vis location much, much more than a mileage-reading device in your car.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beg to differ. National VMT is a silly idea. 

Why build a sophisticated tracking system to monitor where and when drivers are driving on highways, and then go to great lengths to protect the privacy of the data? And then go to greater lengths to account for and encourange fuel efficiency? 

Taxing a gallon of gas does all this without sattelites or cameras. Drive a mile, consume a mile's worth of gas. If you use fewer gallons per mile, then you pay less tax. Once you drive away from the pump nobody knows where you go.

Congestion pricing on urban streets is different than a national VMT and is a smart local (not federal) decision. I wish Mayor Mike had a used bit more political savvy than when he tried to bulldoze the plan through NY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beg to differ. National VMT is a silly idea. </p>
<p>Why build a sophisticated tracking system to monitor where and when drivers are driving on highways, and then go to great lengths to protect the privacy of the data? And then go to greater lengths to account for and encourange fuel efficiency? </p>
<p>Taxing a gallon of gas does all this without sattelites or cameras. Drive a mile, consume a mile&#8217;s worth of gas. If you use fewer gallons per mile, then you pay less tax. Once you drive away from the pump nobody knows where you go.</p>
<p>Congestion pricing on urban streets is different than a national VMT and is a smart local (not federal) decision. I wish Mayor Mike had a used bit more political savvy than when he tried to bulldoze the plan through NY.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about instead of installing GPS devices in cars and retrofitting gas stations with special pumps, we simply use odometer readings to determine miles traveled?  States could require the odometer to be inspected once a year in order to receive new tags for license plates.  The disadvantage of this system would be that taxes would only be paid once a year, not at the time of each fill-up.  The other disadvantage would be that it would not be automatic.  However, it would solve the privacy concerns of mileage tax opponents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about instead of installing GPS devices in cars and retrofitting gas stations with special pumps, we simply use odometer readings to determine miles traveled?  States could require the odometer to be inspected once a year in order to receive new tags for license plates.  The disadvantage of this system would be that taxes would only be paid once a year, not at the time of each fill-up.  The other disadvantage would be that it would not be automatic.  However, it would solve the privacy concerns of mileage tax opponents.</p>
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